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  • October 26, 2019 9:15 AM
    Reply # 8078035 on 8077474
    F. Robert Falbo wrote:
    Richard Settembre wrote:

    If I understand this correctly it looks like the elimination of the $3.36 charge (I registered my M3 Dec 22 2018)  will make it very worthwhile and not only worthwhile if I drive 300+ miles a month. (Am I correct in this assumption?)

    (Like Kris G. mentioned, when you send them a copy of your Title they eliminate the $3.36 monthly charge, no matter when you bought your EV.)

    I'd have to say yes - At least if your Utility is National Grid.  Like I stated, I only drove maybe 700 miles in that month - at 4 miles per KWh I used about 175 KWh's charging my car.  Plus, when you send NG a copy of your title they enter you into the EV program.  After a year they send you a comparison of what you paid vs what you would have paid if you stayed on SC-1, and if you paid more on VTOU they will compensate you the difference, and allow you to switch back to SC-1 for free!



    I think it's worth a shot and like you said, they will give you a credit if you would have saved on the SC-1 rate.  We definitely will save with 2 EVs.

    At the NDEW in Syracuse last month I spoke with someone from NGrid saying they will be revamping their VTOU for EVs but can't remember if she said it would be April of 2020 or 2021...  They were hoping it make it comparable to other utilities (better for us).

    Also, just know that if you have solar, they will 'bin' your generation for that time frame (7a-11p) and your usage during that time will be drawn from it when you over produce.

  • October 25, 2019 5:39 PM
    Reply # 8077474 on 8076997
    Richard Settembre wrote:

    If I understand this correctly it looks like the elimination of the $3.36 charge (I registered my M3 Dec 22 2018)  will make it very worthwhile and not only worthwhile if I drive 300+ miles a month. (Am I correct in this assumption?)

    (Like Kris G. mentioned, when you send them a copy of your Title they eliminate the $3.36 monthly charge, no matter when you bought your EV.)

    I'd have to say yes - At least if your Utility is National Grid.  Like I stated, I only drove maybe 700 miles in that month - at 4 miles per KWh I used about 175 KWh's charging my car.  Plus, when you send NG a copy of your title they enter you into the EV program.  After a year they send you a comparison of what you paid vs what you would have paid if you stayed on SC-1, and if you paid more on VTOU they will compensate you the difference, and allow you to switch back to SC-1 for free!


    Last modified: October 25, 2019 5:45 PM | F. Robert Falbo
  • October 25, 2019 10:43 AM
    Reply # 8076997 on 7869852

    I really appreciate your inputs on this VTOU subject. This is yet another benefit of the TOCNYS "team" of smart, dilligent, dedicated, articulate, and forward thinking folks!

    I'll take another stab at this.

    If I understand this correctly it looks like the elimination of the $3.36 charge (I registered my M3 Dec 22 2018)  will make it very worthwhile and not only worthwhile if I drive 300+ miles a month. (Am I correct in this assumption?)

    Thanks again !!

    Rich 


  • October 24, 2019 11:02 PM
    Reply # 8076558 on 8076144

    Kris G wrote:

    they don't charge the $3.36/mo if you send them a copy of your EV registration.

    Yes, thank you.  I wrote that before they told me they'd waive the $3.36 charge.  Their website still states that if you registered your EV before April 1, 2019, they would waive the charge, and since I registered mine after that time I'd been under the impression that still applied. 


    Last modified: October 24, 2019 11:05 PM | F. Robert Falbo
  • October 24, 2019 10:56 PM
    Reply # 8076554 on 8075439

    "This may be a dumb question but does this savings apply to any and all electricity your house consumes including the TESLA charging? And are all your costs and charges for time of use plan included?"

    With National Grid, they simply replace the standard SC-1 meter with a VTOU meter, so any electricity usage from 11pm-7am is  charged the off-peak rate.

    "I contacted Rochester Gas & Electric early this year and the first customer service rep. didn't know anything about this.

    The second rep said it wouldnt save me any money unless approx. 75% or more of my electricity was consumed at night.

    Now with knowledge of your experience I'll try again."

    RG&E Service plans:  https://www.rge.com/wps/wcm/connect/9d34c68c-5168-40a0-9a39-cb11699c7a3a/18-0393+RGE+Electric+Rates+Summary.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&amp;CACHEID=ROOTWORKSPACE-9d34c68c-5168-40a0-9a39-cb11699c7a3a-mAVD0fR

    RG&E's VTOU is called SC-4.  Their Off-Peak is 11pm-7am, M-F, and all weekend, but their billing charges are really odd - they show the same price for on/off peak - strange!


  • October 24, 2019 6:05 PM
    Reply # 8076144 on 7869852
    F. Robert Falbo wrote:

    It looks like National Greed Grid has decided to limit the amount of money EV owners switching to VTOU meters would impact them.  They have adjusted their VTOU rates higher in the last 2 months.  Their rate for residential SC-1 has stayed at $0.05533 (5.5 cents) per KWh.  For residential VTOU (Voluntary Time Of Use) has jumped as follows:

    On Peak & Super Peak:    $0.06/KWh   to   $0.07108/KWh

    Off Peak & Weekends:      $0.00922/KWh  to   $0.01055/KWh

    ...This is on top of the additional $3.36/mo they charge VTOU customers to give them a split bill. (Basically for doing nothing.)

    In spite of this, if you drive over 300 miles per month, I think it would be worth it to switch to VTOU and set your Tesla to charge Off Peak.



    they don't charge the $3.36/mo if you send them a copy of your EV registration.

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    Last modified: October 24, 2019 6:06 PM | Kris G
  • October 24, 2019 12:30 PM
    Reply # 8075439 on 7869852

    F. Robert, Great job!

    This may be a dumb question but does this savings apply to any and all electricity your house consumes including the TESLA charging? And are all your costs and charges for time of use plan included

    I contacted Rochester Gas & Electric early this year and the first customer service rep. didn't know anything about this.

    The second rep said it wouldnt save me any money unless approx. 75% or more of my electricity was consumed at night.

    Now with knowledge of your experience I'll try again.

    Thanks.

    Rich

  • October 24, 2019 11:38 AM
    Reply # 8075349 on 7869852

    No, I don't have solar - yet.  Maybe in a few years now that Tesla has v3 of their Solar Roof.

    BTW, I only drove about 700 miles during the listed time period, which amounts to a little over 20 miles a day, so anyone averaging more than that can expect even better savings compared to standard (SC-1) residential rates.

  • October 24, 2019 8:37 AM
    Reply # 8075005 on 7869852

    Thanks for sharing. You don't happen to have solar on your house too, do you?

  • October 23, 2019 9:55 PM
    Reply # 8074422 on 7869852

    I now have my first month's bill while on VTOU metering.  National Grid asks for a copy of your Title to enroll you in their EV status VTOU program.  I have my Model 3 set to start charging at 1AM.  On-Peak/Off-Peak hours apply 7 days a week.  Is it worth it?  Hell YES!!!  If you charge at home, go to National Grid's website and download the application.  Send it in with a copy of your Title.

    Here's a comparison of my last month's electric charges on regular residential rate with this month's bill where I was on VTOU.  Notice that I actually used more KWh's this month and still paid LESS!


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